Opinions for:
H-Rod is my homie. It’s pretty great that we’re finally going to have a female president. It send a great message to our young women that they can finally be president too. Plus, she isn’t Donald Trump. What isn’t to love?
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Hillary Clinton is the only candidate with actual experience. She has worked in politics her entire life, stemming from her days as senator and her days as secretary of state. She has comprehensive plans regarding taxation, foreign policy, and social issues. She also has well thought out policies addressing business and job growth in this country. For example, she plans to implement an exit tax on businesses that try to leave the U.S. She opposes unnecessary restriction of women’s reproductive health access and she doesn’t believe in trickle down theory economics, which clearly doest and hasn’t worked.
A lot of people will say she’s too progressive, or that she’s a flip flopper, but the fact is, she has been in politics for decades. Under Clinton, nothing will change, while all the good things that have been around in America for the last thirty years will remain. She will maintain the same status quo that we’ve had, which is honestly really good. Sure, our country has seen its ups and downs, but we have always fluctuated. Our standard of living is astronomically higher than most places in the world. Nothing drastic is going to happen because of her presidency. She is the quintessential, ideal politician that has been through and seen the American way of politics from the inside and out. Instead, we will finally get a woman president, move forward on social change, and keep a racist tyrant out of office.
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Opinions against:
If I had to guess, all of the ‘opinions for’ Hillary say something along the lines of “She’s not Trump” or “She’s a woman.” Really? That’s the best you have? If you cant vote for your own candidate based on their merits as a human being, your candidate sucks. Also, aren’t SJW liberals the one’s always telling us that gender doesn’t matter and that gender is made up by society? If that was really true, then why does Hillary being the first woman president even matter? Gender is made up and the points don’t matter in 2016. If she is the first female president, I would be embarrassed that she is the best one we could come up with.
-Anonymous, Junior
Hillary Clinton is a lying, scheming, slime bag of a liar that gives our country a horrible reputation. Many people will say that if you elect Trump, you will be saying that its okay to a misogynistic racist. Well, if you elect Clinton, you’re saying that it’s okay to be a lying, law breaking, evidence deleting, soldier killing failure at working in government. Her policies are terrible and incoherent, just like when she said she would raise taxes on the middle class and everyone cheered her on. She also put her plan to defeat ISIS on her own public website. Pretty sound logic form someone that let four soldiers die in Benghazi. She also says that she’s going to break up the big banks right? Except big banks are her biggest donors! She gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars just to speak to these bankers behind closed doors. You really think she’s going to try and break them up? Also say goodbye to your second amendment rights, which she wants to completely take away, as revealed in one of thousands of hacked wikileaks emails, including the fact that her staffers purposefully incited violence at Trump rallies to make Trump supporters look bad.
Hillary supporters are sheep who have no idea that she sees them as merely tools as a means to her own end – she won’t do shit for them, just like she hasn’t done shit for anybody in any public office she’s held. It’s all cronyism at this point, welcome to the American oligarchy, where the same rich families control us for decades.
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MotomanQ • Oct 19, 2016 at 5:00 pm
Girls would have some good feelings about the fact that they too could become president. The problem is they would also have to sell their souls, commit crimes, take money from people in a pay for play scheme, and then of course there’s the 40 plus people who have had their lives cut short as a result of knowing the Clintons…..
diggie • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:22 pm
Do you REALLY want “H-Rod” to be the first female president? That’s setting the bar waayyy to low. She is a literal thief who stole from the White House as first lady, and from the State Dept as SOS. She takes donations from countries who treat women as trash, wonder what they expect in return if she gets elected? She set up a pay for play scheme taking money for political favors as SOS. She got an award in 2015 from a non partisan watchdog group as the most corrupt politician. How did she, on the salary of the gov’t, get from being bankrupt when her and Bill left the white house to having $300 million today? Why does all of Hollywood, News networks, and Correct the record shills try so hard to get her elected?
Lets get a woman, but someone of actual character and morality.
But please go on how Trump says mean things. Priorities first.
Deathstalker • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:17 pm
Hillary and Trump are both horrible choices for president, down right scary…
CebVA • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:11 pm
“Because she’s a woman.” How stupid is that? Being a woman is not a qualification and neither is it a disqualification. This “woman” has accepted millions of dollars from regimes that persecute women. This “woman” has herself persecuted her husband’s accusers. This “woman” is soft on terrorism which is seeking to impose Sharia law, the very epitome of anti-woman.
Women and gays had better get behind Trump. He is the only candidate who is willing and able to defend them against radical Islam.
RegisteredDemocrat • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:07 pm
You college people WILL GO OUT AND ELECT HER! We need 4 more years of amazingness and war!
Ed • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:53 pm
The image projected by Hillary as President would set perceptions of women back 1000 years.
Dead Dog • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:53 pm
” Would Hillary Clinton make a good president? ” In one word, NO !
slomunch . • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:45 pm
Hillary would be worse than the do-nothing we have now. She is absolutely crooked and that’s been proven several times–the only reason she’s not in jail is because the crooked liberal democrats manage to pay the right people off. Remember Rose law firm, CLASSIFIED e-mails, etc.etc. Hillary is a disaster for many reasons a lot of young people don’t know about. She doesn’t even have the self-respect to get rid of slick Willie after he cheated on her all through their marriage.
David Brown • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm
This, the question in the title of the article, is simply a rhetorical question, of course…
Ron Hobson • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:26 pm
For North Korea maybe.
Harlon Katz • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:21 pm
The election of HRC will show that we as a country are willing to elect someone “because they are a woman”, even though they are a crook.
Glenn Duke • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:06 pm
Oh oh, now all the women are going to want to be president!
Stupid Atheist • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm
Clinton wants us to go the way of Venezuela; Trump seems to like the Russia model. That’s the choice.
Well, except for Johnson who seems fond of restoring a free-market America.
Oh that wacky, wacky Johnson…
TheSuitIsNOTBlack • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:50 pm
I’ll just leave this here for your viewing pleasure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
WhiteSplainItToYou • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:36 pm
Lemme WhiteSplainItTooYou – If HRC is elected President, her portrait will hang with one corner lower than the other all throughout the halls of government
DRKSHOWDY • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:38 pm
Crooked,
Ed • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:38 pm
Obama’s has needed to be put behind glass at VA facilities.
ocerg1111 • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm
Lemme AdultSplain it to you’ you need look no farther than professional bankruptcy fraud artist trump for crooked.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:09 pm
Overseen and approved by a judge and he is always audited by the IRS for his taxes each year.
WhiteSplainItToYou • Oct 21, 2016 at 8:10 am
Lemme WhiteSplainItToYou – Of course, bankruptcy is conducted within a courtroom, according to well established law. So just because you don’t like it, that doesn’t mean it is criminal. Is HRC a criminal? Ask her, and she’ll tell you that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE right after she tells you she deleted 33000 emails, or lost the Rose Law Firm records, or says “I don’t recall” 39 times while being questioned by the FBI.
DRKSHOWDY • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:34 pm
How can anyone support this crusty bit*ch. Wake up she is a crook.
Dave Beall • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:30 pm
The Clintons have sold out this country to persons with huge cash to donate to the Clinton Money Laundering Foundation = selling out America = TREASON
ocerg1111 • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:32 pm
Trump used $258,000 from his charity to settle legal problems
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-used-258000-from-his-charity-to-settle-legal-problems/2016/09/20/adc88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
oops
veteran Greg • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:31 pm
She openly lied (and proven) to congress more than once, would you be proud of that?
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:47 pm
I have no problem with it..he used a lot of his money to fund his campaign .. More than the $258k.
Google search Whitewater Scandal. Also Hillary was a terrible Secretary of State.
MotomanQ • Oct 19, 2016 at 5:01 pm
So if that’s true, he’s in big trouble right? In jail, big fine or something….wait, he’s not in trouble for that. Must not be proven.
Bruce • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:19 pm
According to emails released on Oct 7 by WikiLeaks, on 3/16/2013 Hillary told bankers behind closed doors that she wants to have a hemispheric common market with open borders. (It sounds similar to what exists in the Eurozone). This will eventually cause the wages in the US to drop until they are close to 3rd world levels. According to emails released on Oct 14, there was an attempt to cover up Obama’s emails to Hillarythrough her private server in defiance of a subpoena stating that that would not be allowed (See the freebeacon for details). The FBI and CIA do not appear to have impartial points of view when it comes to the private email situation or the Wikileaks email postings. Clinton could have profited financially, maybe deliberately, having top secret information pass through an insecure server. Having such a person appoint the head of Information Technology (and also the CIA, DOD, FBI and DOJ) is frightening. If our military secrets get stolen because the head of Information technology is corrupt she could act like the person tried to be competent but the hackers had more advanced tools. She and the head of IT would then still be able to avoid persecution. Hillary is too richly rewarded when she gives a speech. It appears as if it is a bribe. Contributors to the Clinton foundation have received favors from the state department. Clinton’s friends have received excessive compensation from the Clinton foundation. Why did so many of her political acquaintances and enemies die under mysterious circumstances? The democratic primary was rigged. I wonder if US democracy will survive and if the American way of life will continue, if politicians are as corrupt as Hillary.
People need to research Hillary’s private positon because she admitted it was different then her public position in the last debate. Hillary said the goal of Dodd-Frank was political. She thought the financial industry should regulate themselves (released Oct 7). Her campaign advisors recommended changing her political views on gun control when she campaigned in the South. Obama nearly doubled the national debt. This is unsustainable. Hillary wants to spend more money then Obama. Hillary has never created a job in the private sector so she does not understand how burdensome the overdone regulations can be. Hillary admitted in a WikiLeaks email released on Oct 7 that she is out of touch with the middle class.
Paul Martin • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:09 pm
simply put No, neither of them would.
Robo • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:54 pm
The fact that they have closed the doors on the debate stage to the third party candidate that is on the ballot in all 50 states is ridiculous and wrong.
The two party system wants to remain that way for as long as possible. They want to keep the same power structure so they can continue to mistreat the American people.
ocerg1111 • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm
sorry, NO candidate from ANY party gets to debate if they don’t meet a bare minimum of support. otherwise we’d have 100 people up there. Jesus, grow a brain.
Robo • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:36 pm
How about being on the ballot in all 50 states…. That in itself makes a person possibly electable.
This is not something that is easy to accomplish either.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:07 pm
And when people write in Mickey Mouse who will play his part on stage?
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:36 pm
Why isn’t the Republican ticket dredging up the old crooked Clinton Whitewater scandal ?
I think its because they don’t want to get murdered like Vince Foster did.
If any candidate fails to perform as President we should seek to impeach.
Br Newk • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:32 pm
I can’t think of a single thing.
jgkiefer • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:27 pm
I am all for a woman being president. Besides being a woman what else does she bring to the table besides fraud and corruption?
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:41 pm
Everything? A comprehensive economic plan that won’t cripple our economy, will help us to meet our growing obligations without itself being onerous and detrimental to the country.
International policies(supporting coalition forces in Iraq and Syria) that allow American ideals to shine without putting our troops on the front lines and our pockets not being pillaged to rebuild iraq and Syria.
Environmental policy based in REALITY, and not the delusional belief that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.
Now, let me put the question to you? What has Trump got?
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:12 pm
Haahahahhahaahhaa
Wow that is the biggest pile of manure I have seen in a while.
70RT • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:32 pm
You actually buy into that?
Craig Dennis • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:23 pm
Hillary Rodham Clinton is deficient in judgement, truthfulness, memory, short circuiting brain, and stamina. All of her State Department aids have taken the 5th amendment to prevent themselves from criminally implicating themselves. The others were granted immunity, and their computer evidence was destructed by the FBI. That is all in one chapter of the Hillary Rodham Clinton legacy. There is another chapter where she, and president Obama, refused to renegotiate the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan which caused the vacuum in which IS was made. But there is more, Hillary was financially supporting the Muslim fighters that Attacked the American embassy in Libya and fought against us with IS in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hillary has lots of experience, it is just the wrong kind of experience. Hillary should be running for president if IS!
Boguseconomist • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:18 pm
Let us assume for the sake of argument that both Trump and Clinton are right. Let’s assume Hillary is indeed crooked and Trump is really nuts. We’ve had crooked presidents before, from Teapot Dome to Watergate, from Harding to Nixon. We have survived lots of crooks and liars and we’ll survive one more. But the idea of a nutcase with his finger on the nuclear trigger should give us all nightmares.
jgkiefer • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Hillary will pull the trigger for the right price.
Br Newk • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:31 pm
Nixon was a small time petty thief compared to Hillary. $250,000 for a speech when no one shows for free while she campaigns??? The money is bribery and we have only ourselves to blame that we could not see it for the past three decades of her self service, public service.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:12 pm
I don’t think you know what a thief is.
Hint, agreeing to speak, for a fee, and then receiving that fee, is not theft.
If it is graft(not bribery, not theft) then, what is it that she is selling? And please, don’t say “America.” Doesn’t it bother you that literally every single thing that you believe to be true, that you believe it without a shred of evidence to support that belief?
dave • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:24 pm
why would you pay someone to speak when they cant remember anything about Benghazi???? she’s senile at best and looks to be suffering from Parkinson’s.
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:18 pm
No. She demonstrated her poor leadership ability when she was secretary of state. Besides, she can’t be trusted with classified documents let alone Top Secret and above. She denstrated that she is not fit to be President.
IM001 • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:09 pm
naaaaah
bobmann55 • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm
So we don’t need competent leadership in these critical times, we need a dog and pony show for girls
Jakob Stagg • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm
Hillary would be a horrible president. She would however, be an excellent javelin catcher.
Jimmy Knuckles • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:00 pm
“H-Rod is my homie. It’s pretty great that we’re finally going to have a female president” So, this is a college senior. Wonder what the degree will be in, ebonics? God help us, this person is actually going to vote.
The painful truth is that the political class, both parties, have failed this country miserably. They work harder to retain power than do what is necessary to preserve this country and protect its citizens. They hate Trump primarily because he is an outsider, not a member of the clique.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:13 pm
Remember the Odumbo voter that said she would not have to worry about her mortgage by voting for the community organizer?
stan0301 • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Donald Trump certainly has problems–but he isn’t bought and paid for–Hillary is. Trump has problems–Hillary is a problem
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Libertarian • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:49 pm
“Hillary Clinton is the only candidate with actual experience.”
Only if you blindly subscribe to the two party duopoly that is running (ruining?) this country.
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:21 pm
Hillary Clinton failed at Secretary of State. She is unfit to be president.
If Trump messes things up worse..we will impeach. We need to change the path our country is on… So we need to send a message.
Vote Republican
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:29 pm
Trump failed at everything he’s ever done… What does that make him unfit for?
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:11 pm
Forbes billionaire list. Not too shabby.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:26 pm
Not very impressive either. The stock market outperformed him.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:34 pm
I’m not on it and I would bet a pay check you are not either. He made that money in business. He has some success.
70RT • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:29 pm
Try again, that comment failed.
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:43 pm
I am voting for more of a Party change rather than focusing on the Party’s spokesperson. It is time to get the pimps of poverty out of the driver seat.
I am not thrilled about any of the nominees but the Democrats have become so socialistic it disgusts me.
The entire nomination process failed this year.
Bruce • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:22 pm
Hillary has never created a job in the private sector so she does not understand how burdensome the overdone regulations can be. Hillary admitted in a WikiLeaks email released on Oct 7 that she is out of touch with the middle class. Obama nearly doubled the national debt. This is unsustainable. Hillary wants to spend more money then Obama. People need to research Hillary’s private positon because she admitted it was different then her public position in the last debate. She endorsed the budget-reform blueprint known as the Simpson-Bowles plan, which called for cutbacks in Social Security (released Oct 7), thereby contradicting her pubic position. Hillary said the goal of Dodd-Frank was political. She thought the financial industry should regulate themselves (released Oct 7).
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:26 pm
Obama nearly doubled the national debt? You mean bush did, right? Since the economic stimulus was passed by his admin, to combat the financial catastrophe that he created and oh, yeah, the war he didn’t pay for?
Obama has shrank the deficit every year while in office. Except maybe 1…
“This is unsustainable” I agree. Which is why you would have to be clinically insane to vote for a Donald J trump who wants to cut tax revenue by a trillion dollars per year and increase military spending, create, fund, and staff entirely new law enforcement agencies, and waste the little discretionary income we might still have on rounding up illegals and building a wall.
Go Clinton… Go status quo. Keep cutting the deficit, like Obama and like your husband. #realConservatives
dave • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:18 pm
no, if you really were not stupid you would know CLEARLY that Obama doubled the National Debt not Bush who did 2 Trillion to Obamas 8 Trillion, you sir are an idiot.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:30 pm
What a reply! You sir, are a wonk!
Bruce • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:27 pm
Hillary claims that she has a terrible memory and that is why she lie to congress. If she has a terrible memory she is unfit to be president. If she did not make this claim, she would have to go to jail. She spends far more time preparing for the debate then Trump. That indicates she is a slow low energy worker.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:27 pm
5th amendment getting you down?
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:12 pm
Uh, no? Throw in the 3rd partiers and Hillary Clinton is still the only candidate that can find kabul on a map or name 3 world leaders without que cards, or who has a Goddard clue what all the line items are in a congressional budget.
70RT • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:32 pm
Yea, she probably remembers fondly all the kick backs from the military contracts billions spent there.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:36 pm
Evidence? What is evidence? I know of no such thing as evidence! I am a republican.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:10 pm
Experienced at lying and ruining things.
70RT • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:29 pm
And there for is the problem. Her experience is based on gaming the system for personal gains, nothing else.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:32 pm
Lol.
One wonders if they can even hear themselves when they talk.
James Jackson • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Republicans AND Democrats are destroying this country together with the financial support of corporations and the votes of the ignorant who still think there is a difference!
Libertarian • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:55 pm
BINGO!!!
DougW659 • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:07 pm
Lemme guess. White. Male. Under 40. No kids.
Bingo?
The term ‘Libertarian’ as used by people today simply means that you prefer a world where you can use your physical strength to ‘settle disagreements’. Who needs ‘government’ getting involved when you can already make things work out the way you want, right?
And if not physical strength, then we can count on other forms of personal power to determine who ‘wins’ and ‘loses’ these disputes? Capital power…. the strength of a racial or ethnic majority… the power gathered by your gender in vastly unequal measure over the past 200 years…. doesn’t it just seem super-duper fair to everyone that THOSE things are what will decide the outcome of disputes between citizens?
A vote for Libertarianism is either a vote of incredible ignorance (as in: “I’m pretty sure that only ‘government power’ corrupts…. not ‘all power’…. I think!) or one of equally incredible selfishness (as in: “I’m a young, white male…. why on earth would I want a ‘level playing field’ for women and minorities?”).
So how about we pass on that, and elect someone who will continue moving teh country forward to a fairer place for ALL people. OK?
Libertarian • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:14 pm
I take it you’re not familiar with the actual Libertarian party, the ideas of individual liberty and freedom,personal property rights, and the Nonaggression Principle? Perhaps you should inform yourself a bit before speculating.
By the way, you were two for four on your “guess”, so again, maybe less speculation is in order.
DougW659 • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Actually I have read their policy site end to end, and it 100% aligns with what I said. The entire premise of the party rests on the fallacy that only two forms of power exist, ‘government’ and individual’, which is ludicrous. Government actually acts as an important check/balance to capital power, which by the way is NOT elected, or term-limited, or subject to a constitution. The vast majority of people who push the Libertarian agenda do so only because they believe they would ‘win’ more often than not in dispute resolutions between individuals. This would almost be amusing of not for the inherent danger it represents to the weaker and poorer segments of society, as it is highly likely that the alpha-male wannabees who make up the vast majority of Libertarian voters would find themselves on the wrong side of most dispute resolutions with large, well-funded corporations….
dee • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Don’t forget “what’s Aleppo”? an intellectual query from your leader. LOL 😀
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:05 pm
Probably thought it was a new yogurt flavor for fall.
WhiteSplainItToYou • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:38 pm
Doug, Lemme WhiteSplainItToYou – God only wanted you to have a mommy for 18 years. After that, you leave the safe space of the nest. You’re in favor of bringing disorder to the natural order of things.
DougW659 • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Whew! I was getting worried that we might break the streak of 240 straight years of people prophesying the destruction of our country. Thanks for keeping it going.
For any sane people reading this, the US isn’t on the verge of destruction, or financial collapse, or losing it’s sovereignty… this is just nonsense being peddled by people whose agenda is so self-serving and whose policy proposals are so awful that OF COURSE they can’t win their arguments using those points!! So, just frighten people.”TEH GAYZ ARE GOING TO GET YOU!” “THEY’RE LETTING IN ALL TEH KILLER MUZLIMS!”, “OMG IT’S A GENOCIDE OF BABIES!” “HE IS TEH WORZT…SHE IS TEH WORZT!!!!1!”
The simple fact is, our country has a steady 200+ year history of progressivism. You hardly find anyone sane today claiming that voting should be restricted to landowners… yet that was a conservative staple position at one time. SO was allowing states to decide on slavery for themselves. And preventing women from voting. And allowing laws to exist that prevent whites and blacks from marrying. In every case, the crazy proponents of these positions claimed it would be ‘the end of our nation!” if we moved forward. In every case, they were wrong. Just like ‘James Jackson’ is wrong.
We do need to get money out of politics, and only ONE party has agreed that any SCOTUS appointments must be willing to overturn Citizens United and Buckley v Valeo. That is the Democratic Party. To claim there is ‘no difference’ between the parties is a lie specifically designed to prevent the real solution to capital influence from ever being enacted. Don’t listen to these deceiving clowns.
Libertarian • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:05 pm
You’re implying that the Democrats want to get money out of politics and that is flat out comical with Hillary Clinton as the D candidate. She is as connected and committed to dirty money and political favors as any Republican.
DougW659 • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Crazy that you don’t seem to get that your ‘proof’ is not actually related to the argument. Hillary Clinton needs to get elected to appoint SCOTUS judges, so she is using the existing rules to make that happen. She has COMMITTED to appointing progressive, liberal judges to overturn Citizens United and Buckley v Valeo, two decisions that by the way were ruled on 5-4 without the vote of a single Democrat appointed justice. So no…. wrong…. incorrecto…. Hillary Clinton IS IN FACT committed to helping get money out of politics.
jgkiefer • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:32 pm
Hillary will do or say anything for the right price.
70RT • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:27 pm
Are you really that stupid?
Br Newk • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:27 pm
Yes the person that has profited 10X more than any other person from banks is going to get rid of Citizens United. Your ignorance is only exceeded by the length of your posts.
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:31 pm
I am tired of the media forcing political correctness… The media is guilty into brain washing the popular too.
betsysnotrocket • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:03 pm
english, we speak and write it, you need to learn it dear boy.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:06 pm
ESL + Ebonics.
Deathstalker • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:15 pm
We are on the verge of destruction and have been since a little after WWII USSR and now Russia has nukes pointed at every major city in America. over 1000 nukes pointed right at us as we speak and all it will take is the wrong word or the wrong move from us and all those missiles could get launched.
While I don’t think its going to happen, it very well could, and there is nothing we can do about it but hope it doesn’t happen. Putting in the wrong president could make that a reality.
Bottom line is both Hillary and Trump are horrible choices for president and either one have a chance to start WWIII. May God have mercy on our souls should that event happen few people will be left alive.
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Yeah but I can’t get passed what issues are important to libertarians.
Drugs make people stupid. Case in point, put Gary Johnson on the spot and ask him a question. Most of the time he takes a while to answer.
I think drug dealers should get life in prison. We let it go for too long. Users should get rehab and the money for that should come from seized assets from dealers, not tax payers.
If the prisons get over crowded then we need to put the dangerous prisoners down.
James Jackson • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:19 pm
Planning the same for the millions of Pharmacists and pharmaceutical dealers as well?
Dustin Rader • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm
You are an idiot and should take an ethics class, all drugs should be legal because there is no victim no victim no crime. Poison yourself it makes no difference in my life I do not have the right to tell you how to live so quit telling others how to live and force them into a rape dungeon for life for a buzz broaden your horizons dumbass
DRKSHOWDY • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm
If legalize you put the scumbag dealers out of business. No more gang violence.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:04 pm
Right. And instead we will have legal junkies laying dead everywhere.
Jerry Normandin • Oct 19, 2016 at 5:07 pm
You fail to see the big picture.
First of all if you require narcotics to get by you are a weak individual. If we don’t want to see weak minded citizens overdosing then we need to sentence drug dealers with a life sentence.
Some of those weak individuals are someone’s child.
My dad was great .. He got his anti drug talk through to me when I was 12.
I said something similar to my sons and lead by example.
I get a rush troubleshooting a problem, writing cutting edge code, driving my Wrangler off road, hiking and checking out nature with my wife sons and dog.
If you have pain… Suck it up.
I had my wisdom teeth out.. Yeah it hurt. All I took for it was 900mg Ibuprofen.
Heartache when a loved one dies.. Just be thankful for the good times. That’s what got me through .
Donnie Pipper • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:52 pm
god. more narco capitalist cry babies. why don’t you go to the congo see what no government is like. see what true libertarians society is like. bribery, mercenaries, drug lords drug wars. street gangs street thugs, rapes of children. kipnapping for the slave trade. every neighbor is a judge jury and executioner to their own set of law.
i know there is alot of white people that see the founding father of this nation as the social goal they want to achieve in their life. where the white man gets to enslave anyone and everyone they wish including children. where they can just sit back and pay other white man to crack a whip and call it work. that’s their dream of libertarians.
you can see the same reality in places like the so call democratic republic of congo.
tell you what. why don’t you move there and be a white king. set up your own narco kingdom. see how that works out.
James Jackson • Oct 20, 2016 at 8:50 am
Love the fool-aid don’t you.
dee • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:40 pm
Good God! Three of these comments — the first, and the last two — make it sound like this college turns out 1) Wannabe M & Ms, 2) wannabe -Rush Limbaugh-ites, who hate feminists, and 3) backwoods, hick-billy, conservatives who have already chewed and swallowed every lie spat out by the Right Wing Media machine (Faux News, Brietbart, Daily Caller, The Wall Street Journal, most Cable news networks, and on and on and on). Sounds like at least ONE sane person, the second anonymous commentator, in favour of Hillary Clinton, made it through with their intellect intact. But between his or her fellow college mates and a majority the people commenting, it will be vast desert out in thre real world when it comes to equal intellectualism.
David • Oct 19, 2016 at 3:47 pm
I’m glad you can see no difference between the two. It shows you can see through the shuck and jive of the political elite. Now go out and vote for someone who is neither. Donald Trump.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:03 pm
Google shuck and Jive. It is a racial term. Good job.
dave • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:13 pm
yea, if you’re a white guy, white guy.
Whiteguy • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:35 pm
No, read the definition. It has slave roots. Read it for yourself.
James Jackson • Oct 20, 2016 at 8:48 am
Trump is REPUBLICAN! duh
IJK • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:37 pm
This should be rephrased as “Will Hillary Make A Good President?”
Bob Bob • Oct 19, 2016 at 9:17 am
When I see rude comments such as calling people liars and killers, it’s almost like someone is yelling in an argument, which typically indicates there is no real substance to their argument. I used to be against Clinton mainly because she appeared to represent the “old” Washington, which almost everyone is frustrated with. So to educate myself, I started learning about Clinton’s foundation and how its set up, viewing both sides of the arguments for and against the email fiasco, and even the investigation committee’s. Then I compared what I learned to what Trump is claiming and found Trump is stirring up hate and resentment by false accusations or in other words lies. Name calling is not mature action. I am a vet and used to be republican but cannot support their platform or candidate this election cycle just as I am turned off by the negative ads on TV. I will vote my ticket based on informed consent, not speculation. It’s too bad we cannot have a mature conversation and see that in general both sides have some positive ideas and some I cannot support. But it takes a little work to be informed. I suggest everyone try it. By the way, I was a student at CSU along with my daughter.
IJK • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:39 pm
Your advice is much praiseworthy, but goppers in general, and trumpers, in particular, make it a point never to allow facts interfere with their prejudices.
juskom95 • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:48 pm
So funny. You denounce calling someone names as being without substance, then proceed to use that same tactic.
Do you know what a hypocrite is?
Bob Bob • Oct 19, 2016 at 2:45 pm
There is a difference between calling someone names than calling someone who is lying a liar.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:23 pm
What if they ARE a lying liar? I mean, what if someone, running for president of the united States is literally incapable of phrasing a statement so that it is actually true?
Libertarian • Oct 19, 2016 at 12:53 pm
“I will vote my ticket based on informed consent, not speculation. It’s too bad we cannot have a mature conversation and see that in general both sides have some positive ideas and some I cannot support. But it takes a little work to be informed.”
Bravo Bob and you hit the nail on the head! For me, the issues that “I cannot support” are too numerous with the D’s and the R’s candidate, I’m happy to vote 3rd party this year and actually be voting for something, rather than voting out of fear that Trump or Hillary will win.
jgkiefer • Oct 19, 2016 at 1:30 pm
We can’t have an informed conversation when the media is filtering all the news. CNN has a blackout on anything from Wiki Leaks. And is publishing propaganda.
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:21 pm
If they were truly as liberal and propagandist as the right claims they were, they would be spinning conspiracy theories about you Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and wiki leaks are all connected, and how Russia is actively interfering in American politics…
Ignoring them, because they are curated, cherry picked and misleading seems, in fact relatively neutral.
Bob Bob • Oct 19, 2016 at 9:15 am
When I see rude comments such as calling people liars and killers, it’s almost like someone is yelling in an argument, which typically indicates there is no real substance to their argument. I used to be against Clinton mainly because she appeared to represent the “old” Washington, which almost everyone is frustrated with. So to educate myself, I started learning about Clinton’s foundation and how its set up, viewing both sides of the arguments for and against the email fiasco, and even the investigation committee’s. Then I compared what I learned to what Trump is claiming and found Trump is stirring up hate and resentment by false accusations or in other words lies. Name calling is not mature action. I am a vet and used to be republican but cannot support their platform or candidate this election cycle just as I am turned off by the negative ads on TV. I will vote my ticket based on informed consent, not speculation. It’s too bad we cannot have a mature conversation and see that in general both sides have some positive ideas and some I cannot support. But it takes a little work to be informed. I suggest everyone try it.
Steve Wallis, PhD • Oct 19, 2016 at 8:06 am
Lots of opinions (good) on multiple sides (good) some points reasonable, others somewhat speculative (nearly good). But in a few months we’ll have a new president. The *typical* (won’t happen here) thing to say is “we all have to come together and support our new president (whoever that may be).” I don’t think that kind of “shut up and deal with it” approach is good – or useful. Instead, I suggest that the conversations (and even debates) should continue. But we need something more. We need a way to *integrate* our perspectives – not merely throw insults back and forth. Attacking only makes the other side hunker down – to become more entrenched. A better way to integrate perspectives is through knowledge mapping. There, each person can place their ideas on the table. And, as the map grows, so does the understanding – the amount of *useful* knowledge. Knowledge mapping can also be used to identify gaps in understanding – a great way to identify opportunities for high-leverage research. A white paper here: http://meaningfulevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/Strategic-Knowledge-Mapping-Oct-271.pdf Happy Mapping!
Sir • Oct 19, 2016 at 4:04 pm
The problem with the idea that we need a comprehensive, integrated discussion on the issues, one that is ongoing and meaningful, is that in order to have such a discussion you must first agree on a framework. For instance if one side believes that we should be planning to colonize Mars, and the other side believes that space travel is impossible and the moon landings are a hoax and even satellites are faked, then there can be no discussion between those two ideological dipoles.
More and more, the political landscape in America has begun to resemble this dichotomy. Donald Trump, leader of the Republican party says global warming is a HOAX perpetrated by the Chinese, and he’s not the only one. Several dozen congressmen and likely hundreds more at the state level of the party echo his “concerns.” In spite of overwhelming evidence.
Election “rigging” is sure to be a hot button issue tonight, despite the lack of any credible evidence that election fraud has ever so much as moved the needle in any election since the arrest of al Capone. Even then…
Rhetoric from “chopping up babies” to “evolution is a hoax” to “the pyramids as grain silos.” Pops up over and over again when dealing with the right. So how can you have an ongoing debate about, for instance, tax policy, when the other side is nothing more than a conspiracy factory?
Steve Wallis, PhD • Oct 20, 2016 at 8:24 am
To find our common ground, we might have to go to a level deeper than the issues. And, as suggested before, we’ve had a lot of success with knowledge mapping. Using KM as a framework is very useful for undercutting specious perspectives and encouraging deeper understanding.
Sir • Oct 20, 2016 at 11:49 am
Alright, well, from where I sit, that paragraph doesn’t mean anything, so, I suppose that if you could convince me otherwise, you might be on to something…