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Tougaw: Fraternity and Sorority Life does not mesh well with CSU — and they shouldn’t have to

In the last three years, three fraternities have been kicked off CSU’s campus. For a school that certainly isn’t known for its Greek scene, this is a disastrous rate of loss. It is time that the University encourages high standards of personal responsibility from individuals rather than making every single Greek-letter organization conform to its ideals.

If this loss of Greek organizations was due to severe cases of hazing, I think we could all agree that the present level of scrutiny is warranted, but it’s not. In all three cases of the most recent fraternities removed from campus, not a single one was due to injury or death of a “new member” — a term that Fraternity and Sorority Life is now mandated to use to avoid offending those previously known as “pledges.”

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These fraternities were removed due to the entrance requirements for new members, lewd behavior or throwing parties, even if all participants were of age to drink legally and no one was hurt in any regard. In each case, the University has released the following sentiment when removing a chapter from campus: “The values of the fraternity do not align with the values of the University.”

Since when does the University get to determine the values of a completely separate entity?

Fraternities have been around for hundreds of years — many of them longer than the University they’re situated in. Typically, fraternities and sororities have remained very conservative institutions with highly selective membership, while universities tend to remain more liberal with a wider range of student identities, making their clash understandable.

This, however, does not mean the University should have a right to silence a student group due to a difference in values. For example, Colorado State does not call these groups “Greek Life” any more, for a few different reasons, including too many negative connotations. There has been talk of changing Greek Week, a week where Greeks compete with each other for bragging rights and general camaraderie, to Fraternity and Sorority Fest. In fact, we are now only to refer to Greek-letter organizations as Fraternity and Sorority Life (FSL), even though Greek Life is exactly what these organizations are, and exactly what many FSL members themselves would like to be called.

There is an argument here that if a fraternity wants to associate itself with a university, then they should have to play by the university’s rules, and that all student groups do this. Fraternities are no exception, regardless of history. Again, this would make sense if the fraternity was doing something heinous, which is not the case. Censorship should not happen solely due to a difference in values. For example, if the University generally holds a pro-choice belief, they do not have the right to silence a pro-life campus group.

Even if new members were being humiliated or hurt during hazing — which is a bit of a stretch here at CSU — that is their choice to go through with whatever activity they were asked to do. It is not CSU’s responsibility to protect someone from their own decisions.

Of course, it should be noted that many new members do not feel safe or comfortable standing up for themselves in group situations, or in unexpected hazing situations. These experiences can be intense and cause an individual to go along with the crowd despite their discomfort. However, to say that these individuals do not have a choice or can’t stand up for themselves is incredibly condescending and contrary to the values of modern society. Everyone has a choice, all of the time, in any situation, and this should be promoted above all else.

FSL members in sororities are under even harsher restrictions in recent years. I was told that during a chapter meeting, an active sorority member had asked that a new member go to the basement and retrieve and extra chair so that the new member could have a place to sit. The president intervened and said she could not ask the new member to do this as it was considered hazing. Another sorority on campus has members under intense scrutiny right now, as many of the women in its senior class (all of age) went to a bar crawl — you know, a thing that normal people who aren’t in FSL are allowed to do without scrutiny.

Hazing, humiliation and other abuses of membership are in no way values of FSL, nor am I advocating for them in the slightest. Fraternities and sororities as a whole donate over 1 million hours of community service nationally every year. Brotherhood, sisterhood and community service are the core values that FSL organizations strive for. What I am advocating for is personal responsibility rather than University “oversight.”

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An argument regarding values of Greek culture is that perhaps we should reevaluate the standards that we hold these Greek communities to. Times have changed since the 19th century, when many of these organizations were founded. These changes in no way undermine the core values of fraternities and sororities. Community service is still a top priority. However, I believe that as ordinary members of society, they should be allowed to do things that non-Greek students would do without anyone noticing or caring. Normal students throw parties, go on bar crawls and generally raise a little Hell, as most college students do.

Greek organizations and Colorado State University are apples and oranges that happen to be in the same orchard. It is the interested individual’s responsibility to decide what organization best reflects their desired college experience, and certainly not the University’s job to mandate what values each organization must uphold.

*For privacy reasons, the names of specific Greek organizations have been withheld from direct mention.

Collegian Columnist Taylor Tougaw can be reached at letters@collegian.com or on Twitter @TTougaw.

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    HannaFeb 18, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    CSU has a right to protect their reputation as a business. Having affiliated Greek organizations with bad reputations reflects badly on CSU. I see it as CSU standing up for what they believe is right. They’re so accepting and accommodating of most things this campus has to offer and they support clubs that allow people to explore their beliefs/passions/talents/etc. because they believe they increase the quality of students’ education. But it makes sense for them to put their foot down in this case because the Greek chapters that got kicked out were doing harm, which rightfully pisses CSU off. I see their actions as saying, “you can have the CSU name stamped on your club, and thus reep all of the benefits that come from that, but if you compromise our reputation or break our rules, then we will revoke your right to the benefits that we have to offer your club.”
    Makes total sense. Also, at any other school I’ve seen with a healthy Greek system, Greek members were viewed as leaders of campus… Not a nucense that the school had to tolerate in order to promote freedom of choice.
    I’d love to see a rebuttal to my point of view, cuz I haven’t seen anything in the opposition that makes as much sense to me as what I’ve stated.

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    Hannah ClarkFeb 17, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    On the bar crawl subject: I would guess that the sorority is under scrutiny because the women somehow publicized it. Greek life (or whatever you call it now) is sanctioned by the University, and as such must adhere to some of the university policies, like anything sanctioned. If the volleyball team went on a bar crawl and posted about it on Facebook, they’d get a wrist slap from the University as well. Case in point: I went to a different school for my undergrad degree (I’m here as a Master’s student), and we had an equestrian team. We were told that as members, we were not to post pictures of ourselves with alcohol if we were wearing any equestrian team gear: regardless of age of team member or if it was on our own time or not. Not only would we be kicked off the team, the school would DE-sanction us: no questions asked. Campuses and Universities are dry because many, many students are underage, and as such they do not tolerate alcohol use or abuse connected with school-sanctioned groups.

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    tj kFeb 17, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    If the University wants to kick somebody off their campus and not associate with them based on their own rules they most definitely can. If you disagree with the university then don’t associate with them. Most universities (with the exception of the few where Greek Life is a HUGE deal) make it VERY clear that FSL members are expected to set an example on campus.

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      Mike HattelFeb 17, 2016 at 2:11 pm

      There’s nothing wrong with setting an example. The wrong comes in with what constitutes as a good example. If you can explain to me how a senior bar crawl with nobody underage, with no laws being broken, is a bad example to the community then your position makes sense. Too bad many universities don’t have a specific examples of what their standard is. For example, calling someone a pledge or making them get you a chair is considering hazing just as equally as forcing someone to consume alcohol against their will. Please explain to me why those are put on equal footing? So inst the university being hypocrites then if they associate with companies and allow those companies to use the universities facilitates for recruiting people if those companies make their interns fetch coffee for the employees. Inst that the same as making someone new get you a chair? There’s nothing wrong with a higher standard but when you’re vague and arbitrary and change the standard constantly and don’t follow your own standard your forcing others to uphold then you’ve lost any ground to dictate your beliefs.

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        Kate HunterFeb 17, 2016 at 2:29 pm

        Your comparison of an intern getting coffee to the potential pledge getting a chair is interesting. However, the university certainly puts more weight behind greek life than it does behind any companies that hold recruiting events on campus. A fraternity or sorority is often tightly intertwined with the university, whether its with help being legitimized or with help in organization. A company on the other hand may take up a small amount of space (often donating money to the university in exchange) for day or two for a recruiting event.
        I think the biggest part here is that the universities have a big stake in the greek life and once a fraternity is doing something considered hazing it’s up to the university to decide if they want to continue providing the support and infrastructure.
        I understand that it’s difficult to see why a university decides to call something unsavory behavior but ultimately it makes sense that if you’re misrepresenting the university, a place which gives you funds or assists in creating your house, then they have the right to take away that support. Just like they would decide not to allow a company to recruit on their property if they decided that what that company was doing wasn’t for the greater good of the community.

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          Mike HattelFeb 17, 2016 at 2:37 pm

          Except the university has never given my organization funds or contributed to our housing as it s privately owned. I would know as a former treasurer. There is also no difference to accepting money from Lockheed Martin for example and naming an entire computer lab after that company in the engineering building, and endorsing their views as a company. It at that point is an equal stake. For example the unviserity had to demonstrate that when planned parenthood came under scrutiny that none of the fetal tissue it had bought was done so illegally. So yes if a university accept money, donations, and allows the company to use it facilities its endorsing that companies values equally to it endorsing Greek life. There’s no difference. Therefore if a company makes their interns do that then the university has an obligation to cut ties with that company otherwise they’re hypocrites.

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            KellyFeb 17, 2016 at 6:27 pm

            Legally, accepting money from a company/entity and endorsing that company/entity’s views are extremely different.

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            Mike HattelFeb 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

            Then you’re making my point since Greek organizations are private non profits and are being held to different scrutiny that other private organizations and companies. And hard to not say you’re endorsing their views when you’re putting the companies name on buildings and computer labs.

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            KellyFeb 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm

            I’m not saying it doesn’t look a certain way I’m just saying for legal purposes (i.e. if the university were to be sued), they are two different things.

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            tj kFeb 18, 2016 at 4:06 pm

            I mean no offense, but you are REALLY stretching for these comparisons you keep making. The university has every right to decide who they do and don’t associate with. If they want to associate more with Lockheed Martin but not particular frats and sororities then that is completely their choice. CSU has decided their relationship with Lockheed is beneficial and that their relationship with these Greeks is not. Also even if everyone is 21 going to a bar crawl and making it at all clear you are a member of Greek Life is associating your drinking with the club and therefore the school (if they associate with your frat/sorority). Nobody from Lockheed Martin is going to go to a bar crawl and make it apparent they work for them. If they did they would lose their job the same way as these Greeks lost their charter.

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            Mike HattelFeb 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm

            1) you’re making the assumption those seniors made apparent what soroity they were in. If they weren’t you’re stretching it to assume if no laws were broken they should be held accountable for doing nothing wrong.

            2) the point isn’t that the school has standards. The point of the matter is how can you dictate certain standards to one orginization while not enforcing the same standards of another. Are the Lockheed interns at CSU at risk of losing the school’s endorsment of their company if they go on a bar crawl? No? Then why would abother private orginization have to be held to that standard? Lockheed and the Greek community received pretty much the same benefits with their association with the university, namely use of facilities. Basically what’s good for the goose isn’t good for the gander for CSU.

            3) again this wouldn’t be an issue if the university outlined exactly in its standards what is and isn’t allowed. Not in vague terms like causing emotional distress as it is now. If it was you’re not allowed to A, B, and C and that was applied to all private orginizations equally there wouldn’t be a problem. Also it’s not the same comparison as a sports club that solely exists within that university. Greek orginizations are part of private national orginization that associates with CSU in the same way as other private orginizations and therefore shouldn’t be considered next to athletics or other CSU specific clubs.

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            Mike HattelFeb 18, 2016 at 4:57 pm

            The best example is a few years back 3 football players at CSU assaulted a freshman. A lot worse than having a freshman fetch a chair for a meeting. Also the football team is a lot easier to associate to the school nationally and locally than the fraternity. Now if they were held to the same standard as Greek life all the players on the football team would have been kicked off the team. And the team would have been banned from associating with the univirsity for 2 years. Given that’s the standard for 1 group of students why isn’t the same standard being applied? Why did they just kick those 3 players of the team and claim that it doesn’t reflect the entire team? Considering anytime a Greek member does something it represents their entire orginIzation. Is it because the Univisity cares more about the money from football than it does its “standards”? If you agree to that last question then you’re at least honest.

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          Mike HattelFeb 17, 2016 at 2:45 pm

          This especially is true considering that fraternities and sororities are private organizations just as a private companies and non-profits are. To hold one to a different standard then is hypocritical and wrong.

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    peter lastFeb 17, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    Interesting choice of comparison. The most recent fraternities that got kicked off have most notoriously been for alcohol violations and sexual harassment/assault, not for an opinion on abortion. Good for the university for sticking up for what’s right. If you want to be a frat that doesn’t play by the rules, then don’t associate with the university. FSL doesn’t exist to have parties, it was originally intended to help the community, and very few FSLs, if you will, still hold this as their number one value. You suggest, we hold them to a different standard, I suggest we hold FSL to the same standard and not encourage anymore evolution of rampant rape culture, body-shaming, hierarchy, substance abuse, etc. of frats and sororities.

    Your frat got kicked off, I get it, you’re mad. But a solution, as referred to in your article, is to hold individuals accountable. So why not hold individuals in their perspective FSLs accountable to doing the right thing? As, a group that is responsible for making the community a better place, one could even argue you be held to a higher standard as a community leader.

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      Mike HattelFeb 17, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      Greek life wasn’t founded to help the community. They were founded to allow men and women foster bonds of brotherhood or sisterhood and develop friendships. If by extension they chose to do that through community engagement that’s great. This is tha attitude that is ruining Greek life. My founders made their orginIzation for nothing more than help develop friendships as men. Who are you to impose your standard on me and dictate values against something my founders wanted and you know nothing about? If laws are being broken that’s fine. Hold people accountable, but when a sexual harassment violation is levied, and colleges such as Ohio state university are posing sexual harassment to include if a girl doesn’t like how you are looking at her even if there’s no verbal or physical interaction as sexual harassment, I have a problem. Calling someone a pledge vs a new member is considered hazing and that is you directly imposing your view of hazing. If that person looking to join an orginIzation doesn’t want to be called a pledge vs be member they aren’t forced to join. There’s nothing wrong with a higher standard but this isn’t a higher standard. It’s placing thought and actions. Pleas explain to me how an above age senior bar crawl is detrimental to Greek life? How is asking a younger member to get a chair hazing? What way is that harming someone? If college is supposed to get us ready for the real world your idea of Greek life will do a piss poor job at that. Making an intern at a new job get coffee for everyone oh the humanity!!! Is basically what you’re advocating for. Unless no laws are being broken on what authority do you get to tell me what an orginIzation is doing is wrong?

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        Kate HunterFeb 17, 2016 at 2:10 pm

        If you want to a place to foster these friendships and you don’t like the university laws then form a sorority or fraternity unaffiliated from the school. Your description of the purpose of greek life is no different than what I want when join a new club or start up a new hobby.
        Of course everyone wants to foster friendships in college. But if you’re affiliated with the school then don’t be surprised when they have restrictions on your association. By starting a fraternity (or an other club associated with the school) you’re representing your school everywhere you go. Even your fraternity chapter is a representation of the greater fraternity’s society. I’m sure they have some restrictions as well on what you can and cannot do.

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          Mike HattelFeb 17, 2016 at 2:21 pm

          The differences isn’t placing restrictions, its the restrictions specifically. Please explain how calling it Greek Week instead of FSL fest is breaking university standards. What policy is being broken by doing that? Its also the back door slight of hand in which they do so. Never once was I ever instructed that a bar crawl consisting of all members older than 21 with no laws broken is against university policy or standards. If they want it to be that’s fine but then since its the university imposing the values its the universities obligation, not the origination in question, to articulate those values specifically. If were not allowed to participate in legal drinking activities except how the university dictates then its incumbent on the university to inform everyone of that before joining. Its also incumbent on them to be specific and give just reasoning. If I cant go to a bar as a group of 5 individual over the age of 21 because im in Greek life, I have the right to know why that is being dictated. If im being prevented form doing something legally with 4 brothers because the university considers that a event my organization is putting on simply because 5 people are together in one location they are required to give rational as to why.

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            Nathan CFeb 17, 2016 at 3:27 pm

            ….Or they are just trying to find ways to get rid of an outdated institution that perpetuates elitism, rape culture, and general dickishness and they don’t owe you an explanation for shit. As an alumni I fully support any and every effort the administration takes to rid the campus of the cancer that is Greek life.

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            Brendan UnittFeb 17, 2016 at 3:36 pm

            Why disapprove of something you have never been a part of or know completely about? You are just throwing the “normal social appearance” that media portrays fraternities as. Why can’t there be a group of men or women who join together and enjoy one another’s company. You sound completely ignorant and don’t understand what another side of life is. A fraternity is almost like the military. A band of brothers and sisters regardless of race who come together for a common goal. Argue all you want, but we have a goal, and that’s to help the community, create positive outlooks as friends and make memories. Why would anyone be against that?

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            Nathan CFeb 17, 2016 at 3:39 pm

            I was a member of a social fraternity.

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        KellyFeb 17, 2016 at 6:26 pm

        If your fraternity was formed for the sole purpose of fostering friendships, having had nothing to do with the university or the community, then why is it such an outrage to be separated from the University? You can foster friendships in a fraternity that operates independent of any other institution.
        Or, if you feel like you cannot do that, then there is something that you want, or some benefit that you gain, from having the fraternity affiliated with the University, in which case, it seems perfectly acceptable that it asks you to comply with whatever standards it sees fit.

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